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Tuberculosis Treatment


By tongkatali.org
tongkataliorg3@gmail.com
Updated August 11, 2024

Tuberculosis is a well-researched disease. You can read about it on many mainstream health websites. The Mycobacterium tuberculosis by itself is not a controversial topic.

But treatment is. What public health institutions, from the WHO down to village healthcare workers, disseminate about the treatment of tuberculosis is propaganda.

Propaganda is distorted information. The goal may be honorable: a worldwide decline of tuberculosis. But pamphlets aiming to promote adherence to treatment regimens with statements like "Tuberculosis, otherwise deadly, can be cured with antibiotics" omit salient points of what this "cure" means for many individual patients: the bacillus may be suppressed, at least temporarily, but their overall health will be worse after chemotherapy than it was before untreated tuberculosis.

Physicians are complacent. Physicians have treatment guidelines, and these call for an aggressive drug treatment of tuberculosis. Physicians will not risk their jobs or licenses by advising patients, that tuberculosis chemotherapy may do them serious harm.

Immediate chemotherapy may be best for the community and the goal of tuberculosis eradication, but all too often, it makes the patient a sacrificed pawn.

If one wants to know what really is in store for those who agree to tuberculosis chemotherapy, one has to read the scientific literature. Articles in scientific journals are usually not tuberculosis eradication propaganda, but intended for the scientific community, and to let physicians know what the real score is.

The toxicity of tuberculosis drugs

"Most current TB regimens consist of six to nine months of daily doses of four drugs that are highly toxic to patients."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC3982203/

"Prolonged treatments with severe side effects reduce patients' physical and mental endurance during the course of treatment."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC8663960/

The four first-line drugs in tuberculosis chemotherapy are: Rifampin (Rifampicin), Isoniazid, Pyrazinamide, and Ethambutol. Here first some rather harmless patient reviews.

For Rifampin
https://reviews.webmd.com/drugs/
drugreview-1744
-rifampin-oral

or
https://www.drugs.com/comments/
rifampin/?search=&sort_reviews=
lowest_rating#reviews

For Isoniazid:
https://reviews.webmd.com/
drugs/drugreview
-8665-isoniazid-oral

or
https://www.drugs.com/comments/
isoniazid/?search=&sort_reviews=
lowest_rating#reviews

Scientific research into side effects is more scary.

Unfortunately, serious visual impairment, even blindness, is a potential side effect primarily of ethambutol, but also of isoniazid

The common dosage for ethambutol is 15mg/kg bodyweight. Blindness can occur even at that dosage. At dosages of 100mg/kg bodyweight, blindness is almost a certainty.

"We describe a 43-year-old man who developed signs and symptoms of bilateral optic neuropathy during treatment with ethambutol. Ethambutol was initiated at a dosage of 15 mg/kg per day. Three months later, the patient had lower extremity neuropathy, and 2 weeks after that he developed a rapidly progressive, severe decrease in vision... Visual acuity testing before initiation of treatment showed 20/20 vision in both eyes and normal color vision. Ophthalmologic examination [after ethambutol treatment] revealed a best corrected visual acuity of 20/200 with the right eye and counting fingers at 4 feet [1.2 meters] with the left eye... Manifestations of toxicity can occur as late as 12 months after initiation of therapy."
https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/
article/S0025-6196(11)62721-3/fulltext

Here is what the American Academy of Ophthalmology has to say about ethambutol and blindness:

"The prevalence of EON [ethambutol-induced optic neuropathy, damage to the otic nerve] in patients treated for tuberculosis is estimated to be 1-2%. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), there are around 9.2 million new cases of tuberculosis each year, 55% of which will take ethambutol. Given that the incidence of EON is about 1-2% among treated patients, these statistics suggest there could be as many as 100,000 new cases of EON annually. Furthermore, the risk of EON is highly dose dependent. The estimated prevalence of EON for ethambutol doses of 15, 20, 25, and > 35 mg/kg per day are < 1%, 3%, 5-6%, and 18-33%, respectively. At any of the therapeutic antimicrobial dosing regimens, there is a variable and sometimes idiosyncratic [unique to the individual patient] risk for EON and thus there is effectively no truly “safe” dose for EMB. Other than ethambutol dosage, risk factors for EON include age greater than 65 years and hypertension... The visual acuity loss may vary from minimal (20/25) to severe (no light perception) and the severity of the visual loss at onset is often mild and insidious... Finally, multiple case reports have identified isoniazid, another first-line treatment for tuberculosis, as a cause of optic neuropathy similar to EON. Therefore, patients taking ethambutol in combination with isoniazid may be at increased risk for visual loss."
https://eyewiki.aao.org/Ethambutol_Optic
_Neuropathy

Second-line aminoglycoside tuberculosis drugs are toxic to human hearing.

"Sixty four patients were put on second line aminoglycoside anti-TB drugs. These were divided into three groups: group I, 34 patients using amikacin, group II, 26 patients using kanamycin and group III, 4 patients using capreomycin. Of these, 18.75% of the patients developed sensorineural hearing loss involving higher frequencies while 6.25% had involvement of speech frequencies also. All patients were seen again approximately one year after aminoglycoside discontinuation and all hearing losses were permanent with no threshold improvement."
https://bmcearnosethroatdisord.
biomedcentral.com/
articles/10.1186/1472-6815-7-5

"A total of 42 Patients undergoing multidrug resistant tuberculosis treatment participated in the study... The study found 45.23% participants with some degree of hearing loss consequent to multidrug resistant tuberculosis treatment. Around 9.5% of the total participants developed potential disabling hearing loss."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/
science/article/
pii/S2405579421000188

The combined chemotherapy is toxic to the kidneys.

"The standard anti-tuberculosis (TB) regimen occasionally causes acute kidney injury (AKI). The major etiology is rifampicin-induced acute interstitial nephritis... Among 1,430 patients with active TB, 15 (1.01%) developed AKI... The renal function was normalized in 12 patients (80.0%) after restarting anti-TB treatment without rifampicin (n=12) or isoniazid (n=1). Two patients died due to severe renal failure after restarting rifampicin."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
30333388/

A drug (toxin) that comes with a definite risk of acute kidney injury is likely to be detrimental to kidney function even when acute kidney injury does not occur.

"TB patients had a significantly higher risk of developing CKD [Chronic Kidney Disease] than the general population."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.
nih.gov/25352683/

Standard tuberculosis therapy is also toxic to the liver.

"Drug-induced liver injury (DILI) is a common complication of tuberculosis treatment... A total of 58 of 1928 (3.0%) patients met the criteria for DILI defined in this analysis."
https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.
com/articles/10.1186/
s12916-018-1033-7

There are hundreds of potential side effects for the combined tuberculosis drugs. Acute kidney injury may only occur in 1 percent, tragic enough. But the risks add up, with possible permanent blindness and deafness standing out, and it is very unlikely indeed, especially for older patients, that they get through tuberculosis chemotherapy unscathed.

"Side-effects such as hepatitis [liver inflammation], dyspepsia [stomach pain that often gets worse with eating], exanthema [widespread skin rash] and arthralgia [joint pain] were responsible for termination of therapy in up to 23% of patients during the intensive phase... The side-effects profile of TB chemotherapy is magnified in... those being treated with second-line drugs for multidrug-resistant TB, during which as many as 86% of patients may develop medication side-effects."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC2647396/

Because of the severe side effects of tuberculosis drugs, it is not surprising that many people just don't want to take them... and then omit dosages, or the whole drug regimen.

The WHO, determined to reduce tuberculosis counts, thus devised a protocol for dealing with such recalcitrants: DOT - directly observed therapy, or DOTS - directly observed therapy short course (an euphemism, to put it mildly, as this "short course" typically means 6 months of chemotherapy).

"Observed therapy" means that patients are required to go to a healthcare facility and obtain their medication from a nurse who makes sure that the pills are actually swallowed. And if the patient does not show up, then the nurse may look for them at home.

Kind of "enhanced persuasion" so that patients take their meds, in spite of the side effects.

There are ethical implications in such tactics.

"Research from Ethiopia and Norway demonstrates that the rigid enforcement of directly observed treatment conflicts with patient autonomy, dignity and integrity... Many [patients] reported being threatened, punished, humiliated or treated angrily by staff for not adhering strictly to the implicit rules of the system... As in Ethiopia and Norway, there are still many examples of health personnel responding to such needs [of personal adjustments] by the use of threats, scolding and increased rigidity..."
https://bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.
com/articles/ 10.1186/1472-6939-14-25

Problematic antibiotics

For many therapies, newer drugs are superior to older drugs (eg benzodiazepines versus barbiturates), with a safer side effects profile.

That paradigm doesn't apply to antibiotics used to treat tuberculosis. The side effects of second-line or third-line medications for tuberculosis are just as miserable, or even worse, than those considered first-line treatments.

"The therapeutic approach for drug-resistant tuberculosis is cumbersome, because of the poor, expensive, less-effective, and toxic alternatives to the first-line drugs."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC4448591/

The original location of the clip is: https://youtu.be/3-KsGYRgSno

Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders in Engliah) is an international charity for medical care. For their activities, including tuberculosis treatment, they seek donations.

"Private donors provide about 90% of the organisation's funding, while corporate donations provide the rest, giving MSF an annual budget of approximately US$1.63 billion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Medecins_Sans_Frontieres

The charity is doing many good things with all of this money.

However, the two medications they refer to in the above video clip, bedaquiline and delamanid, are no wonder drugs. And anyway, they have to be combined with first-line drugs (called background treatment), including the one that carries the highest risk of vision loss (ethambutol).

While in combination with first-line drugs, they often are effective against multidrug-resistant tuberculosis, they also come with their own dangerous side effects, such as potentially fatal heart arrhythmias.

"Drug interactions with other hepatotoxic agents like pyrizinamide and drugs that prolong QT interval like fluoroquinolones, clofazimine can potentially be catastrophic in MDR-TB patients [multi-drug resistant tuberculosis]."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/
medicine-and- dentistry/bedaquiline

To avoid the side effects of drugs that don't help, it would be nice if it could be tested whether the bacterial strain by which a patient is afflicted is susceptible or resistant to a certain drug. Unfortunately, medical science at the current state of the art is not sophisticated enough for that.

"... the reliability of DST [drug susceptibility testing] results obtained through widely used methods does not meet acceptable levels, except for DST to isoniazid and rifampicin... Poor reliability stems from a weak correlation with clinical response and a low reproducibility due to the poor standardization of the complex and fragile test procedures... Most of the currently used DST methods suffer from low predictability associated with clinical irrelevance of the results..."
https://erj.ersjournals.com/
content/25/3/564

Thus, in clinical practice, physicians just prescribe what, in their experience, usually works, and hope for the best.

And if, after a few months, they find out that, in spite of all the side effects, the bacterial load does not drop, they initiate a next round of drugs, and if that also doesn't do it, they switch to the third set. They will continue like that until a patient succumbs to any of his or her morbidities, tuberculosis by then just being one of many.

The drugs anyway do NOT cure tuberculosis

The illusion created by public health institutions and physicians goes like this: You take your pills for 6, 9, or 24 months, and after that, you are cured of tuberculosis.

But fact is, you aren't. A negative smear test doesn't mean a person is free of bacilli in the lungs. If there are fewer than 5000 bacilli per mL specimen, a test for acid-fast bacteria will likely be negative.

"Smear microscopy... requires 5000–10,000 bacilli per mL of sputum for showing a positive result."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC6360468/

But in "healed", just as in latent infections, bacteria lie dormant at locations where their presence cannot be tested. They can also not be killed by chemotherapy that targets metabolic processes of Mycobacterium tuberculosis, simply because dormant bacteria have no metabolism worth mentioning. Such bacteria are called persisters.

There is a definite chance that, at a time the host immune system is weakened, the disease will come back in its active form.

"The recurrence incidence was 8.3% and in 85.9% of these patients, it occurred in the time interval of 1-5 years after successful treatment."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC4663856/

A 2012 study on persisters prominently quoted Walsh McDermott: "When one realizes that, even though the bacilli vanish and there is … truly latent infection, the bacilli are, nevertheless, still there … drug susceptible, I think you will agree with me that it shows that ‘you can't win.’"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC3346619/

Walsh McDermott (October 24, 1909 – October 17, 1981) was a famous American physician who researched tuberculosis in the 1950s. Prior to that he himself was a tuberculosis patient.

"The outcome of M. tuberculosis infection is often a state of equilibrium characterized by immunological control and bacterial persistence."
https://www.nature.com/
articles/s41579-022-00763-4

That is the best one can get: a stalemate. And that is the same for drug-treated tuberculosis and self-healed tuberculosis (with supportive measures, such as bed rest).

Another pharmaceutical strategy

There is something intrinsically problematic with the antibiotics used for toxic tuberculosis chemotherapy, and it's not that these antibiotics per se would be so much worse than other antibiotics.

It's rather that the tuberculosis bacillus doesn't lend itself easily to the whole concept of antibiotic treatment.

Normal bacteria, even if they kill a human host only after decades, like Treponema pallidum which causes syphilis, exist in the human host in a uniform metabolic state. And if the strain is not resistant, as soon as a suitable antibiotic is applied, most of the bacteria are dead in a few days, and all are eliminated in one to two weeks.

Mycobacterium tuberculosis is not like that. It exists in the host in different metabolic states, from actively dividing in a day or so, to lying dormant for years with practically no metabolism, and possibly a variety of transition phases.

As antibiotics typically target metabolic processes, dormant bacteria, which don't have any, are out of reach for the drugs.

But in an immune system already thrown off balance by medications, some bacilli, here and there, awake from their dormancy, and start replicating.

Thus, the WHO decides that a full cocktail of antibiotics should be taken from 6 months (they call this "short course") to 2 years, or even longer.

Now, at such a long regimen, serious side effects will appear with any antibiotic, not just those used for tuberculosis.

So, maybe something is wrong with the antibiotics approach, which actually competes with the host immune system on how to handle the pathogen.

Maybe it would make more sense if physicians were to support the host's biology in a manner that suppresses Mycobacterium tuberculosis, rather than compete for the trophy of victory.

Such an approach already has a name: host-directed therapies

But most certainly, they aren't mainstream.

The famous scientific journal Nature, in a 2017 article, on host-directed therapies in the context of tuberculosis: "Host-directed therapy (HDT) is an emerging approach in the field of anti-infectives. The strategy behind HDT is to interfere with host cell factors that are required by a pathogen for replication or persistence, to enhance protective immune responses against a pathogen, to reduce exacerbated inflammation and to balance immune reactivity at sites of pathology... To overcome Mtb resistance to killing by macrophages and to promote Mtb entry into autophagic compartments, a diverse range of pro-autophagic drugs has been proposed for TB management by HDT... Currently, the most promising drug that induces autophagy and promotes phagosome maturation of Mtb-infected cells is the oral biguanide metformin, which is widely used for the treatment of type 2 diabetes. Metformin activates 5'-adenosine monophosphate-activated protein kinase (AMPK) and interferes with the mitochondrial respiratory chain, promoting the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS) and subsequent Mtb killing in human and murine macrophages. To a certain extent, metformin restricts bacillary growth in murine pulmonary TB. Given its widespread application and acceptable safety profile, metformin seems to be ready to enter clinical trials as an HDT for TB." https://www.nature.com/
articles/nrd.2017.162

Yes, Mycobacterium tuberculosis, by secreting specific molecules, blocks autophagy (the destruction of unwanted intracellular material, including pathogens). Interestingly enough, the anti-tuberculosis effects of curcumin (the active compound in turmeric) have been linked to its capability to induce autophagy in tuberculosis-infested calls.

"We found that curcumin enhanced the clearance of MTB [Mycobacterium tuberculosis] in differentiated THP-1 human monocytes and in primary human alveolar macrophages. We also found that curcumin was an inducer of caspase-3-dependent apoptosis and autophagy. Curcumin mediated these anti-MTB cellular functions, in part, via inhibition of nuclear factor-kappa B activation."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.
nih.gov/27012592/

More on turmeric later in this review.

"Untreated" tuberculosis

"Untreated" in this context refers only to tuberculosis not treated by chemotherapy.

In light of the severe and potentially life-shortening side effects of tuberculosis chemotherapy, the prognosis of untreated tuberculosis is important to know.

There are no studies on the mortality of untreated tuberculosis conducted in the past 80 years, since chemotherapy has become available. All studies on untreated tuberculosis were done in the first half of the 20th century. These studies, however, have been extensively analysed in the past few years.

A 2011 review:

"Taking the crude unweighted average of all studies one arrives at a 5-year case fatality of 58% and a 10-year case fatality of 73% for open (smear-positive) tuberculosis. Taking an average weighted by sample size these numbers are 55% and 72% respectively. Of course, these mortality data are somewhat distorted by mortality from other causes, as most studies do not record cause of death, and all-cause mortality rates may have been somewhat higher in the pre-antibiotic era than they are now... On the basis of the above data, especially the studies by Berg, Thompson, and Buhl and Nyboe which – unlike studies on sanatorium patients – appear to be mostly population based, a 30% 10-year survival for smear-positive patients, i.e. a 70% CF [case fatality], as used by WHO and others in their estimates of the burden of tuberculosis, seems a reasonable ballpark figure. As tuberculosis is mostly a disease of young to middle-aged adults the distortion by other causes of death is probably small."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC3070694/

A 2023 analysis:

"Pre-chemotherapy era data are a rich resource on survival of people with untreated TB... We found 12 studies with TB-specific mortality data. Ten-year survival was 69% in North America and 36% in Europe... Geographically, people in North American studies experienced better outcomes than those in Europe. This may be because North America was more shielded from the worst effects of the two world wars in the early twentieth century than Europe."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC10443783

The same study, however, found a marked difference in the 10-year survival rates of "untreated" patients in sanatoria, compared to those who remained untreated at home.

"Only 38% of non-sanitorium individuals survived to 10 years compared to 69% of sanitoria/hospitalized patients..."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC10443783

Bed rest (see below) likely accounted for the way-better survival chances of patients in sanatoria or hospitals.

To compare untreated and treated tuberculosis, the 10-year survival rates after "successful chemotherapy" are of interest.

"The median of survival time after successful treatment was 10.5 years and survival probability for 11 years after successful treatment was 70%... This study showed that positive smear pulmonary tuberculosis even after successful treatment has an adverse effect on the patients’ survival and leads to a decrease in their survival rate in the long run."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC4258661/

"We used local health authority records from 3 US sites to identify 3853 persons who completed adequate treatment of TB and 7282 individuals diagnosed with latent TB infection 1993 to 2002... We found more all-cause deaths (20.7% vs 3.1%) among posttreatment TB patients than among the comparison group... Fully treated TB is still associated with substantial mortality risk. Cure as currently understood may be insufficient protection against TB-associated mortality in the years after treatment."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
25790407/

"Based on a retrospective cohort study, information of 2,299 TB patients that had been referred to and treated at the NRITLD [National Research Institute of Tuberculosis and Lung Disease], Masih Daneshvari Hospital [Teheran, Iran], from 2005 to 2015, was collected... This study was done on 2,299 patients with treated pulmonary TB; 770 patients (33.49%) expired and 134 patients (5.83%) had disease relapse."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC4937760/

In the Iranian study, the ten-year survival rate of tuberculosis patients undergoing chemotherapy was 66.51%. That is even worse than the ten-year survival rate of 69% in North American sanatoria in the pre-chemotherapy era.

Subclinical tuberculosis

An article in the scientific journal The Lancet Respiratory Medicine estimated that every year, about 12 percent of patients with tuberculosis experience self-cure, without any toxic chemotherapy.

"Reversion from microbiologically positive to undetectable disease in prospective cohorts occurred at an annualised rate of 12% (6·8–18·0).."
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/
article/PIIS2213-2600(23)00097-8/abstract

When considering untreated tuberculosis, now or before, one aspect of relevance is and was the severity of the disease in the individual patient.

Young and middle-aged adults may become violently ill, and the worse their condition, the worse the prognosis when not treated by chemotherapy. On the other hand, the symptoms of active tuberculosis are often mild in elderly populations (see below).

Tuberculosis with mild symptoms apparently is much more common than most people realize. Such cases are typically only found after extensive x-ray screening of the population.

"Subclinical pulmonary tuberculosis, which presents without recognisable symptoms, is frequently detected in community screening... Individual participant data were obtained and included for 12 surveys (620 682 participants) across eight countries in Africa and four in Asia. Data on 602 863 participants were analysed, of whom 1944 had tuberculosis. The unadjusted proportion of subclinical tuberculosis [mostly no persistent cough] was 59·1%... The majority of people in the community who have pulmonary tuberculosis do not report cough, a quarter report no tuberculosis-suggestive symptoms at all..."
https://www.thelancet.com/ journals/laninf/
article/PIIS1473-3099(24)00011-2/abstract

Here is how the numbers are to be understood: "602 863 participants were analysed, of whom 1944 had [active] tuberculosis". That is 1 in 310 screened patients, which translates as a tuberculosis prevalence of 322 in 100,000 people. These numbers are on top of those people who seek medical treatment for tuberculosis on their own, not waiting for community screening.

The global average is 133 cases per 100,000 people.
https://www.who.int/teams/global-tuberculosis-programme/
tb-reports/global-tuberculosis-report-2023/
tb-disease-burden/1-1-tb-incidence

Countries with the highest incident rates are The Philippines (638 cases per 100,000), North Korea (513), Gabon (509), South Africa (468).
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/
SH.TBS.INCD

"An estimated 40% of people who developed TB in 2021 were not diagnosed or treated."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC10443783

These 40% were discovered during routine population screenings. For many of them, their symptoms were not severe enough to seek help at hospitals. It is not known how many of them were enrolled for chemotherapy in spite of non-severe symptoms.

The WHO estimates that in 2023, some 10.5 million people presented with new active tuberculosis, and some 1.6 million died of the disease. This number likely includes people who died during tuberculosis treatment, from either tuberculosis or the toxic side effects brought about by the treatment. It likely excludes people who died after "successful" treatment for tuberculosis but suffered organ damage from a toxic drugs regimen that caused death after a few years.

Tuberculosis is a continuum

Public health officials, from the WHO down to village healthcare workers have a set of goals that they try to achieve with their tuberculosis propaganda. They include:

* Get as much people as possible tested for tuberculosis, even those who have no clinical symptoms.

* Make people believe that tuberculosis is an infection that can easily be cured with antibiotics. The mantra is: take your pills, and after 6, 9, or 24 months, you are healthy, and you can continue your life of before the tuberculosis diagnosis, just as if nothing has happened.

* Persuade people who are diagnosed with "active" tuberculosis, even if there are no symptoms or only minor symptoms, to start full chemotherapy for 6 month.

* Convince people who have just "latent" tuberculosis, as does a quarter of all mankind, to nevertheless undergo tuberculosis chemotherapy.

Public health officials and complacent physicians usually omit warnings about the severe,  toxic side effects from their "information" or "consultation".

But tuberculosis is not a disease that you either have or don't have, just like gonorrhea or AIDS.

But even though it is caused by bacteria, tuberculosis presents more as a chronic condition, like type 2 diabetes, which is a continuum that can range from a suboptimal insulin response to blood sugar values that cause blindness and death from kidney failure.

The gold standard of a tuberculosis diagnosis for the past 100 years or so has been the so-called smear test, in which sputum is examined in acid-fast stain microscopy for Mycobacterium tuberculosis.

The specific sensitivity of the test requires at least 5000 bacilli per mL of sputum, otherwise if will produce a negative result.

Sure, with 30,000 or 40,000 bacilli per mL of the specimen, tuberculosis is easy to diagnose.

But whether a patient on a given day may have 4700 or 5600 bacilli in a sputum sample, and thus test positive or negative, is probably a matter of luck.

Nevertheless, "sputum conversion" from a positive to a negative result after 2, 3, or 4 months typically determines whether tuberculosis chemotherapy was "successful" or not.

But a tuberculosis relapse from below 5000 bacilli per mL of sputum to above 5000 is not an either/or difference, but just a gradual one.

Awareness is now growing that tuberculosis is not an either/or (you have it or you don't) disease.

It's not even an either/or/or disease (either no tuberculosis / or latent tuberculosis / or active tuberculosis) disease.

The whole thing is a continuum, ranging from no infection to dying from tuberculosis, and many nuances in between.

Here a scientific source for this view:

"Recent evidence indicates that the spectrum from TB infection to TB disease is much more complex, including a “continuum” of situations didactically reported as uninfected individual, TB infection, incipient TB, subclinical TB without signs / symptoms, subclinical TB with unrecognised signs / symptoms, and TB disease with signs / symptoms... These situations are regulated from one side by the metabolic activity of Mtb (dormancy, intermittent replication, active replication) and from the other side by the host innate and acquired immunity (which fights to limit the consequences of TB infection)... Subclinical TB had been described as a stage preceding detectable active TB by a couple of weeks or months. This is probably inaccurate as some individuals with subclinical TB never reach the status of TB disease “with symptoms” or spontaneously regress to latent TB (or even to the uninfected stage) without being ever diagnosed with TB."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC8753649/

Tuberculosis in elderly populations

Tuberculosis in the elderly population often presents with fewer symptoms.

"Symptoms of active TB are nonspecific and less pronounced in the elderly."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC8703289/

"Difficulties in diagnosis tuberculosis in older adults has been assessed in a meta-analysis of studies focusing on tuberculosis in older adults, which found that common symptoms used to identify tuberculosis such as dyspnoea [shortness of breath], haemoptysis [coughing blood] and fever are less prominent in older than in younger adults."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/
article/pii/S120197121401707X

“Classical symptoms of TB (cough, haemoptysis [coughing blood], fever, nights sweats and weight loss) were less common among older patients with pulmonary TB (PTB)... For those with PTB, chest radiography findings showed that cavitation and lymphadenopathy were more common among younger patients. Conclusions: Older patients aged 65 years with TB had fewer “classical” clinical and radiological presentations of TB, which may explain longer times to starting treatment from symptom onset compared with younger patients aged 65 years... TB in the elderly presents with fewer of the classical symptoms of TB, less specific radiological changes... and it has even been proposed that TB in older adults should be considered as a different disease entity."
https://openres.ersjournals.com/
content/erjor /5/4/00228-2018.full.pdf

By and large, elderly patients feel less discomfort with tuberculosis than are younger patients. This changes dramatically as soon as standard chemotherapy is initiated.

"According to our findings, there is an increasing risk of TB-drug adverse events when age increases. In previous reports, the occurrence of any major side effect has been associated with age, especially amongst the elderly. The frequency of adverse reactions has shown to increase in a progressive and direct form in relationship to age."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC3217998/

It appears that in elderly patients, the definite discomfort of the tuberculosis disease really sets in as soon as the treatment starts.

But it is safe to assume that public health institutions and physicians are more concerned about containing TB in communities than the comfort of patients. Public health institutions advocate aggressive pharmacological treatment of tuberculosis in elderly patients not because it would add to the quality of life of elderly patients but because elderly patients on a highly toxic drug cocktail are less contagious.

To treat or not to treat tuberculosis in elderly patients

Tuberculosis is an infectious disease. But most people who are infected never become ill with tuberculosis. This limits the risk that people with active, contagious tuberculosis pose to their human environment.

By WHO estimates, one quarter of the world population of 8.1 billion, roughly 2 billion are infected. However, 46 percent of all tuberculosis cases are concentrated in Southeast Asia.
https://www.who.int/teams/global-tuberculosis-programme/
tb-reports/global-tuberculosis-report-2023/
tb-disease-burden/1-1-tb-incidence

About 8.5 percent of the world's population live in Southeast Asia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Southeast_Asia

If there is a proportional relationship between population numbers, active tuberculosis, and latent tuberculosis, one may well assume that in Southeast Asia, pretty much everybody has latent tuberculosis.

The math goes like this. 10.5 million active tuberculosis cases per year are proportional to 2 billion people with a latent infection. 10.5 million times 46 percent is 4.83 million (the number of active cases in Southeast Asia).

2 billion times 46 percent is 920 million. That is the number of latent tuberculosis cases that would be equivalent to the 4.83 million active cases in Southeast Asia per year.

But the population of Southeast Asia is only 676 million. Thus one may as well assume that everybody in Southeast Asia has at least latent tuberculosis.

About 1.5 million die each year of tuberculosis. The majority of those who die of, or with, tuberculosis are over 70 years of age.

The rest life expectancy of people aged 70 in 2024, with or without tuberculosis, isn't much.

Annuity tables, used primarily by insurance companies, calculate more than 10 years rest life expectancy for people in the US. The number may be higher for Europe or Northeast Asia, but it is lower for most of the world.
https://www.annuityadvantage.com/
resources/life-expectancy-tables/

However, the question for people 70 and over is not so much, how many years their hearts will keep on pumping. A more sensible evaluation is, how much good time remains in store.

It's not a blessing to add years to one's life if those are years tainted by Alzheimer's, or bedridden years, or years in chronic pain.

It's a blessing to die before it comes that far.

As mentioned previously, compared to younger populations, tuberculosis symptoms are often mild in the elderly (no fever, no night sweats, no weight-loss, limited cough).

On the other hand, compared to younger populations, the side effects of tuberculosis chemotherapy are, in elderly populations, usually more severe (daily nausea, stomach pain, joint pain, insomnia, new or aggravated kidney and liver disease, vision loss, hearing loss).

At the same time, even after having gone through the treatment torture for six or more months, the risk of a relapse of tuberculosis, as measured by smear microscopy, is high. And then the treatment torture would start all over again, and at that time at a considerably lower level of general health.

Thus, for people age 70 or older, who have active tuberculosis, albeit with bearable symptoms, it may just make sense to do nothing.

At age 70 or older, one will soon have to die of something anyway, and tuberculosis may just be the preferable lot, compared to painful cancers. It may also be preferable to spending one's rest of life with crippling neurological disorders.

The question is whether the medical establishment, or the community, or even the family will allow an elderly person with tuberculosis chose not to undergo treatment. There is reason to doubt it.

Tuberculosis and fresh air

The idea that fresh air treats and possibly cures tuberculosis, is old.

"Hippocrates (460 B. C.), “the Father of Medicine,” used sunlight in treating tuberculosis; in fact, he used what appears to be a very modern treatment for this disease, since he recommended that the sufferer be sent away to the hills beyond the city, where he would have plenty of rest, fresh air and sunshine."
https://journal.chestnet.org/
article/S0096-0217(16)30299-0/abstract

In Europe, tuberculosis was especially bad between the mid-18th and early 19th century during the industrial revolution. People moved from the countryside to rapidly growing cities where they lived in poor, crammed conditions, and were exposed to heavy pollution from the burning of coal.

From the mid-19th century, anywhere in Europe and North America, a "new" kind of knowledge spread quickly: that fresh air is a necessity, both to avoid tuberculosis, and to treat and potentially cure it.

The first protagonist of this idea was the German physician Herman Brehmer who cured his own tuberculosis in the Himalayas.

"The first German sanatorium for the systematic open-air treatment had been started by Hermann Brehmer (1826-1889) at Görbersdorf in Silesia in 1854... The results were regarded as highly successful, surpassing any previous treatment... Mander Smyth described the regimen at Nordrach, where he experienced it as a patient and subsequently practiced it as an assistant to Walther. The first component was fresh air, both by day (out of doors if possible) and by night with wide-open windows. Rest was the next important factor, in bed initially... Rest included mental rest, with protection from visitors and from talkative neighbors. When... the doctor was satisfied with progress, exercise could start... Walking began with short distances at a controlled pace avoiding breathlessness; ultimately it would be many miles in a day. The diet was abundant..."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC1281640/

Sanatoria were opened throughout Western Europe and North America. But not only that.

In North America, patients who could not afford sanatoria but had enough money for long-distance public transport, traveled and resettled in large numbers to places where the climate was less polluted, like Colorado and Arizona.

Public health programs and city planning incorporated the awareness of the necessity of fresh air and nature, though it takes decades from awareness to implementation.

"What Tuberculosis did for Modernism: The Influence of a Curative Environment on Modernist Design and Architecture"
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/
medical-history/article/what-tuberculosis-did-
for-modernism-the-influence-of-a-curative
-environment-on-modernist-design-
and-architecture/

The influential 1952 book The White Plague: Tuberculosis, Man and Society, written by the famed French-American microbiologist René Dubos and his wife Jean Dubos, summarized the fresh air / green space narrative, claiming that basically, tuberculosis is an environmental and social disease, caused by unsavory, crammed living conditions with high levels of air pollution and poor nutrition. The authors credited social improvements rather than the medical profession for the marked decline in the number of tuberculosis cases and deaths between the mid-19th and mid-20th, even before the advent of tuberculosis chemotherapy.

While the exact impact of fresh air on the healing of active tuberculosis may be harder to ascertain, many scientific studies have proven that lungs that are stressed by voluntary or involuntary inhalation of smoke and many kinds of air pollution are more susceptible to tuberculosis disease.

"Cigarette smoke (CS) exposure is a key risk factor for both active and latent tuberculosis (TB). It is associated with delayed diagnosis, more severe disease progression, unfavorable treatment outcomes and relapse after treatment."
https://err.ersjournals.com/content/
31/164/210252

In many low and mid-income countries in tropical parts of the world, especially in Southeast Asia, South Asia, and Africa, solid biomass fuel like wood or charcoal are used for cooking and heating. Household trash and agricultural waste are often burned before every house, or in the vicinity of communities.

Many studies have confirmed that these patterns are associated with high incidence rates for tuberculosis.

"Biomass smoke is a significant risk factor for active tuberculosis."
https://jech.bmj.com/
content/68/12/1112

Environmental pollution, caused by industrial activities and fossil fuels, likewise causes increases in tuberculosis.

A 2023 Chinese study of 14.8 million tuberculosis cases between 2004 and 2018 found that a high degree of PM2.5 pollution (93.3–145.0 micrograms /cubic meter of air) more than doubled active tuberculosis cases, compared to low PM2.5 pollution.
https://www.researchgate.net/
publication/37288971_Association_of_
air_pollutants_and_meteorological_
factors_with_tuberculosis_
a_national_multicenter_
ecological_study_in_China

Tuberculosis and bed rest

Up until the mid-20th century, bed rest was the most promising treatment for tuberculosis.

Patients, especially those from families of sufficient wealth, stayed for months or years at sanatoria where they passed their days in tranquil natural environments, hanging around on sofas on balconies, or, if febrile, lying in bed.

"In Europe, the first sanatorium was founded in 1854 by Hermann Brehmer in Germany, in Goebersdorf in Silesia, a village on the border between Poland and the Czech Republic... His method of treatment spread throughout Germany, France and Switzerland, especially in the egion of Davos, in the Engadin Valley, where the first high-altitude sanatoria were opened for paying patients... The new sanatoria were designed in such a way that patients could stay in single rooms or rooms with a few beds, which usually gave onto large terraces where inmates could take so-called “sun baths”. The buildings were surrounded by spacious meadows and tree-lined gardens, where guests could go for long healthy walks. Patients stayed in the institution for very long periods – from a minimum of six months to seven, eight or even 16 years."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC6319124/

"It wasn't until the development of the Sanatorium in which careful observations were made... that the rest cure came into the foreground as the most important factor in combating the disease. “Rest” is the most important single factor in the treatment of pulmonary tuberculosis. - Chest Journal, January 1942, Rest in Treatment of Tuberculosis by Savere Madonna, MD
journal.chestnet.org/
article/S0096-0217(15)30204-1/abstract

But just when discoveries were made on why bed rest sometimes was successful, and how it could be optimized, along came the discovery of streptomycin and other agents of chemotherapy which were way more economical than sanatoria and more reliable in treating the disease, albeit at the cost of substantial systemic side effects.

The proposed optimization of bed rest (in which mainstream medicine was no longer interested) was based on a better understanding of lung physiology.

"The purpose of this review is to re-examine the physiologic evidence pertaining to these treatments [bed rest, pneumothorax] and to emphasize why we should have listened to one man, William (Bill) Dock, who told us all long ago how bed rest should be performed and why certain types of collapse might be helpful.
https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full/
10.1164/rccm.200307-1016OE

It is an established observation in the diagnosis of pulmonary tuberculosis that the bacilli have a preference for the upper one third, and even the apices of the lungs.

"What could possibly explain these... preferences?... The answer was finally provided by Bill Dock... who came up with a very simple explanation...: gravity, which has important effects on both the distribution of inspired air and the distribution of pulmonary arterial blood flow within the lungs."
https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full/
10.1164/rccm.200307-1016OE

Mycobacterium tuberculosis is an obligate aerobe. It needs oxygen to thrive, the more the better.

The availability of oxygen to the bacilli isn't uniform in the normal human lungs. In the upright position, in which people find themselves for most of the day when standing, walking, or sitting, gravity causes the bases of the lungs to receive the most blood supply, and this is where most gas exchange takes place.

Normal tidal breathing involves only 1 to 2 liters of air per breath, while the full lungs volume of the average person is 5 to 6 liters.

When only 1 to 2 liters of air are used in gas exchange in about one third of the lungs, the remaining capacities of the lungs are not empty. They also contain air, mostly oxygen-rich.

One such part of each lung which is filled with air that participates little in gas exchange is the upper lobe, especially the apex.

"Very little of the total oxygen uptake occurs at the apex, principally because the blood flow there is very low... Note that the base of the lung has most of the blood flow, but the PO2 [oxygen tension, oxygen pressure] and oxygen concentration of the end-capillary blood are lowest there. As a result, the effluent pulmonary venous blood (which becomes the systemic arterial blood) is loaded with moderately oxygenated blood from the base."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/
immunology-and-microbiology/lung-gas-exchange

In people who go about their lives in a normal manner, with the lungs upright for most of the day, the upper lobes present an ideal environment for the bacilli. They contain oxygen-rich air which, because of the effects of gravity on blood flow in the pulmonary circulation, is largely unaffected by the fluctuations of gas exchange.

And the forces of gravity in the erect human host work in favor of the bacilli not only because of stable oxygen-rich air pockets, but also by shielding the bacilli from a full-blown attack by the host immune system. Not only the flow of blood to the apices of the lungs is hampered in the upright position, but even more so the flow of lymph.

All of this can be reversed by positional intervention. When a human host is lying flat on his or her back, then, all of a sudden, the apices of the lungs are no longer a haven of oxygen-rich air with little gas exchange. On the contrary, the apices are now, because of gravity, an area of intense blood flow and gas exchange. Furthermore, also because of gravity, the immune system, via lymph, has a new tactical advantage over the pathogen.

Bed rest, it must be noted, is most effective if a person lies flat on his back. But many by-and-large healthy people, and most people confined to hospital beds for any kind of disease, do not lie flat. They pop up their upper torsos with pillows, or adjust their hospital beds to up to 45 degree. This may be fine for many diseases, and even beneficial for GERD (gastroesophageal reflux disease) but negates the desired end points in the case of tuberculosis.

As many historical images of patients in sanatoria prove, bed rest was often done wrong, with upper torsos elevated. This surely was comfortable, not only for the human hosts but also for the bacilli.


Mont Alto Sanatorium in Pennsylvania, USA


Stannington, UK, Children's Sanatorium, 1926


A ward at the Vauclain Tuberculosis Sanatorium, ca. 1920

An excellent summary on the importance of body position was provided by Scott Welker MD at an unlikely Internet location, Quora:

"Rest therapy for TB works mainly because of the position of the patient when they are at rest. Partly because of reduced stress on the immune system and cleaner air also, but mainly it was that laying down deprived the TB of oxygen.

"The Mycobacterium tuberculosis organism is a strict aerobe, and it thrives in environments with excess oxygen. The opposite is also true - deprive it of oxygen, and it fares poorly.

"To explain this I first need to explain pulmonary physiology. Obviously we have a large pulmonary reserve. That’s why you can breathe hard enough to run, or work hard, of row a boat. Your lungs can support much greater exertion than you are experiencing right now. A healthy adult can even get by after an entire lung is removed!

"At rest, we only need about 1/3 of the capacity of our lungs. Oxygen exchange takes place mainly in the middle third, as the bottom third of the lungs are congested by blood flow and not well aerated. The top third is well aerated, but only gets enough blood flow for the lung itself; very little blood flows into the oxygen-exchange vessels. So that’s one of the reasons TB favors the upper 1/3 of the lung; there’s tons of oxygen there that’s not being used. We inhale it, then exhale it without absorbing it... Here’s a cartoon I drew to illustrate this:

"So, when you lie in a bed, you’re still only using the middle 1/3 of your lung for oxygen exchange. same situation as when you’re standing, but now your lung is horizontal. The top 1/3 faces the ceiling, and the bottom 1/3 faces the floor. The slices of the sandwich still go 90 degrees to up and down, but some or all of the M. tuberculosis colony in the chest is either struggling with less oxygen (which exchanged in your lungs’ middle 1/3), or getting no oxygen at all (it’s submerged in your lungs’ bottom 1/3).

"In his brilliant 1934 Textbook of Medicine, Dr. Russel B. Cecil pointed this out. Even though we hadn’t figured out the 'lung in thirds' model I speak of above, because we lacked the equipment to take blood pressures in the pulmonary veins and do nuclear medicine perfusion scans, Cecil deduced the truth of this. He said 'rest is the only treatment which has proved entirely successful.' He went on to point out that patients who had disease on one side of their chest only (which we could see on X-rays and bronchoscopy), were better served to lie with their diseased lung down.

"He even forbid patients from 'sitting up in a chair or reclining in a chaise-lounge.' ... So there you have it - rest worked for TB because it deprived the organism of oxygen.

https://www.quora.com/Was-fresh-air
-and-lots-of-rest-ever-a-genuinely-effective-
treatment-for-some-tuberculosis-patients

Tuberculosis and high altitude

Being at high altitudes slows tuberculosis progression, and improves the odds of self-cure. This was observed in the pre-chemotherapy era, and it has been confirmed in recent scientific research. The following is from a 2013 study.

"Antimycobacterial immunity was assayed in 15 healthy adults residing at low altitude before and after they ascended to 3400 meters, and in 47 long-term high-altitude residents. Antimycobacterial immunity was assessed as the extent to which participants’ whole blood supported or restricted growth of genetically modified luminescent Bacille Calmette-Guérin, (BCG), mycobacteria during 96 hours incubation... At low altitude, mycobacteria grew in blood 25-times more than in negative-control plasma, whereas ascent to high altitude was associated with restriction of mycobacterial growth to be only 6-times more than in [negative-control] plasma. There was no evidence of differences in antimycobacterial immunity at high altitude between people who had recently ascended to high altitude, versus long-term high-altitude residents."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
pmc/articles/PMC3772817/

The above matches scientific research that has been conducted in the pre-chemotherapy era, summarized in 2013 in a scientific article under the headline "Tuberculosis and High Altitude. Worth a Try in Extensively Drug-Resistant Tuberculosis?"

"In 1925, for example, the experiments of Novy and Soule on the 'Respiration of the Tubercle Bacillus' showed that higher than usual ambient oxygen concentrations... enhanced bacillary growth... By contrast, exposure to lower than normal oxygen concentrations showed 'for the first time' that growth 'decreased progressively as the [oxygen] tension was lowered'; 2 years later, the experiments of Corper, Lurie, and Uyei came to nearly similar conclusions about the effects of low oxygen tensions. Then, in 1939, Kempner determined that the rate of oxygen utilization of cultured tubercle bacilli decreased in curvilinear fashion as the oxygen percentage of exposed bacilli was reduced."
https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/
full/10.1164/rccm.201311-2043OE

In the late 19th and early 20th century, it was common knowledge that higher altitudes afforded a window of opportunity against tuberculosis.

"When John Henry “Doc” Holliday headed to Denver, Colorado, in 1882, he was escaping murder charges for his involvement in a shootout at the O.K. Corral. But he stayed in the state... for the sake of his lungs. Holliday suffered from tuberculosis, and at the time everyone knew that Colorado was the best place for so-called “lungers” to rest and recover... Physicians in the 19th and 20th centuries believed that fresh air, high altitudes and abundant sunshine could cure all kinds of ailments, and Colorado had plenty of all three. Although their beliefs about TB were not entirely medically sound, they were kind of right in this regard: Fresh air does prevent TB from spreading, and the high altitude stops TB bacteria from spreading rapidly through the lungs... Beginning in the 1860s, ill people began pouring into the future state to take the fresh air cure. Denver’s first facility for tubercular patients was built in 1860, just two years after the city was founded."
https://www.history.com/news/the-
disease-that-helped-put-colorado-on-the-map

"The introduction of the sanatorium cure provided the first real step against TB. Hermann Brehmer, a Silesian botany student suffering from TB, was instructed by his doctor to seek out a healthier climate. He traveled to the Himalayan Mountains where he could pursue his botanical studies while trying to rid himself of the disease. He returned home cured and began to study medicine. In 1854, he presented his doctoral dissertation bearing the auspicious title, Tuberculosis is a Curable Disease. In the same year, he built an institution in Goebersdorf where, in the midst of fir trees, and with good nutrition, patients were exposed on their balconies to continuous fresh air. This setup became the blueprint for the subsequent development of sanatoria, a powerful weapon in the battle against an insidious opponent."
https://globaltb.njms.rutgers.edu/
abouttb/historyoftb.php

"The global prevalence of multidrug-resistant, mono drug-resistant, isoniazid[-resitant], and rifampicin[-resistant] tuberculosis are 11.6%, 11.8%, 15.7%, and 9.4%, respectively.
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/
articles/10.1186/s40249-023-01107-x

Feeding patients with toxic antibiotics to which the bacteria are resistant only produces additional morbidities, without reducing the Mycobaterium tuberculosis load. In all likelihood, these additional morbidities reduce the chance of self-cure, which, with the right supportive measures can be as high as 50 percent. (See the paragraphs on "Untreated tuberculosis".)

The world's foremost scientific journal, Nature, in 2014: "Curiously, in recent years some ‘old solutions’ were also proposed to contrast drug-resistant strains, such as the establishment of sanatorium-like structures for admission of incurable cases."
https://www.nature.com/
articles/ja2014108#ref-CR36e

"Incurable cases" in the Nature article means: cases that cannot be cured by chemotherapy. But even before chemotherapy was invented, a certain percentage of patients won the battle against tuberculosis, either via "mysterious" self-cure, or with an appropriate care that did not include medications. The chances in sanatoria were better than at home.

Tuberculosis and vitamin C

Practitioners of orthomolecular medicine believe that megadoses of vitamin C can keep any infection in check, and tuberculosis is not excluded from the claim.

There also is a range of scientific studies that point to benefits in the treatment of tuberculosis by adding vitamin C to conventional chemotherapy, though no study was published as of now that would have examined the effectiveness of vitamin C megadoses alone, or compared the use of megadoses of vitamin C-only with conventional tuberculosis chemotherapy. Such trials are also unlikely to come along any time soon. Big pharma won't provide funding for vitamin C studies, as positive results would certainly be negative for their bottom line.

While the benefits of megadoses of vitamin C in the treatment of tuberculosis have not been scientifically proven, the bias of the medical establishment against vitamin C has.

"Bias against Vitamin C in Mainstream Medicine: Examples from Trials of Vitamin C for Infections... In mainstream medicine, the views on vitamin C and infections have been determined by eminence-based medicine rather than evidence-based medicine."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC8779885/

In order to convince the medical establishment on the validity of megadoses of vitamin C in the treatment of tuberculosis, sensational case reports on miraculous disease reversals won't be enough. To start with, explanations will be required on how vitamin C is supposed to work as a treatment for tuberculosis.

The strongest candidate for such an explanation is how vitamin C can drive Fenton reactions to destroy Mycobacterium tuberculosis. See below how AI summarizes this well-established process:

https://tongkatali.org/tuberculosis-
fenton-reaction-AI.htm

Below quotes from scientific articles on vitamin C and tuberculosis:

"Mycobacterium tuberculosis is extraordinarily sensitive to killing by a vitamin C-induced Fenton reaction... The bactericidal activity of vitamin C against M. tuberculosis is dependent on high ferrous ion levels and reactive oxygen species production, and causes a pleiotropic effect affecting several biological processes."
https://www.nature.com/
articles/ncomms2898

Watch below a video of William R. Jacobs Jr., a professor of Microbiology and Immunology and Professor of Genetics at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in The Bronx, New York. Professor Jacobs is very much part of the medical-scientific establishment, and thus immune to accusations of any kind of quackery.

The original location of the video is on Youtube.

"Like all human pathogens, Mtb requires iron for growth and virulence... Mtb iron uptake is a complex process, requiring biosynthesis and subsequent export of Mtb siderophores, followed by ferric iron scavenging and ferric-siderophore import into Mtb... The battle for iron between the human host and bacteria has evolved into a sophisticated cat and mouse game, where bacteria have developed complex pathways to steal iron from host proteins, and to circumvent this, humans have evolved proteins to neutralize bacterial iron-scavenging pathways."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC6568009/

It is a lesser-known function of the immune system to limit iron availability.

"Given the absolute requirement for iron by virtually all human pathogens, an important facet of the innate immune system is to limit iron availability to invading microbes in a process termed nutritional immunity... Iron limitation as an innate immune defense... Hemoglobin in senescent erythrocytes is meticulously recycled by macrophages."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC3676888/

Iron limitation is an innate immune defense. In chronic infections like tuberculosis, iron limitation leads to anemia of inflammation. Taking iron supplements to alleviate the anemia often seen in tuberculosis patients, is probably not a wise strategy.

"Increase in host Fe levels promotes Mtb growth and tuberculosis (TB) pathogenesis, while Fe-supplementation to latently infected, asymptomatic individuals is a significant risk factor for disease reactivation."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC6722820/

Macrophages are extraordinarily rich in iron.

"Macrophages play a crucial role in iron trafficking, as they recycle the large quantity of iron obtained by hemoglobin degradation. They also seem particularly adapted to handle and store amounts of iron that would be toxic to other cell types."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC8615895/

Mind you, "Mycobacterium tuberculosis... mainly attacks macrophages and inhibits their apoptosis."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC6359177/

As macrophages infected by Mycobacterium tuberculosis are rich in ferric ions, it may make sense to see them as suitable targets for vitamin C-induced Fenton reactions.

Tuberculosis and diet, herbs

Unfortunately, there is no diet, and there are no medicinal herbs, which would magically heal tuberculosis.

Various diets and herbs have been observed to influence the immune system, and for thousands of years, the art of healing ill humans relied mostly on herbs.

But the human immune system is extremely complex, to say the least, and the interactions of the immune system with pathogens are very complicated. And when we try to study the biochemistry of these interactions, we barely scratch the surface of what is going on.

Biochemical knowledge of the immune system and various pathogens is unreliable. Every year, new findings contradict older ones, and while biochemistry is really interesting, one ought to be careful not to deduct from biochemical research any treatment guidelines for any disease. This caveat also applies to in vitro studies (studies done in lab dishes rather than living organisms).

Healing human diseases is still more of an art than a science. We can carefully observe what happens, for example how foods and herbs seem to impact ill people.

As soon as we try to deduct from certain anatomical, physiological, or biochemical knowledge any treatment regimen, we will likely be wrong.

When discussing research on diets and herbs in the context of tuberculosis, we quote studies that were done in lab dishes (in vitro) or even computer simulations (in silico). They are interesting, as are studies done in lab animals (in vivo), but anything less than clinical studies isn't better than simple observation that has been conducted for centuries or millennia.

That said, let's look at three food items specifically, garlic, turmeric, and durian.

Tuberculosis and garlic

In traditional Chinese medicine, TCM, garlic is used to treat cough and lung disease, in many cases what is today known as tuberculosis.

Indian Ayurvedic medicine, likewise, uses garlic for respiratory health.

Hippocrates, too, endorsed garlic for respiratory ailments.

And at the turn of the 19th into the 20th century, Western medicine, too, held garlic in high regard as a treatment for tuberculosis.

"Around the turn of the century, W. C. Minchin, head of the tuberculosis ward at a Dublin hospital, wrote that garlic had a remarkable cure rate for tuberculosis. It was used as an inhalant, taken internally, and applied as a compress and as an ointment. M. W. McDuffie, at approximately the same time in New York City, compared garlic with 55 other treatments for tuberculosis and concluded that it was the most effective."
Quoted from the following pdf file available online:
https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/
10.1128/aac.27.4.485

And a 2019 in vivo study summarized: "Historically, garlic is known to kill mycobacterial strains, and its active compound, allicin, kills various microorganisms. Here we have shown that allicin not only reduced the bacterial burden in the lungs of mice infected with Mycobacterium tuberculosis (M.tb), but also induces strong anti-tubercular immunity... Allicin/garlic extract alone or as an adjunct to classical antibiotics holds great promise for treatment of drug-sensitive as well as drug-resistant TB."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.
nih.gov/30537531/

A 2014 Indian scientific source: "Extracts of garlic rich in allicin and ajoene showed appreciable antimycobacterial activity as compared to standard drugs."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC4090836/

A 2019 study went into more detail: "Here, we report that allicin/garlic extract exhibits strong anti-mycobacterial responses  in vitro and in vivo against drug-sensitive, MDR and XDR strains of TB. In addition to direct killing, allicin also induced pro-inflammatory cytokines in macrophages. Moreover, allicin/garlic extract treatment in murine models of infection resulted in induction of strong protective Th1 response, leading to drastic reduction in mycobacterial burden. These results indicated that allicin/garlic extract has both antibacterial and immunomodulatory activity."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/
article/abs/pii/S037887411831763X

The above quote mentions that "allicin also induced pro-inflammatory cytokines in macrophages."

Pro-inflammatory cytokines, such as TNF alpha (tumor necrosis responsible alpha) have a bad rap because they aggravate autoimmune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis. This is why the pharmaceutical industry has developed TNF inhibitors...

But pro-inflammatory cytokines in macrophages are there for a reason. They regulate the destruction of engulfed bacteria.

And a sorry side effect of TNF inhibitors is that in patients using them, a latent tuberculosis infection may become active tuberculosis disease.

"Tumour necrosis factor (TNF) is a potent inflammatory cytokine that plays an important role in immunity to numerous bacterial infections, including Mycobacterium tuberculosis (Mtb), the causative agent of tuberculosis (TB) in humans. Infliximab, adalimumab, certolizumab pegol and etanercept are anti-TNF agents used to treat a range of inflammatory / autoimmune diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis. The use of some of these drugs has been linked to reactivation TB."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC2940142/

Unlike other, simpler, bacteria, Mycobacterium tuberculosis hijacks macrophages and makes macrophages its primary home. "Tuberculosis and the art of macrophage manipulation"
https://academic.oup.com/femspd/
article/76/4/fty037/4970761?
login=false

And a key tool of Mycobacterium tuberculosis in making macrophages their survival niche is the  down-regulation of pro-inflammatory cytokines like TNF (tumor necrosis factor).

"M. tuberculosis can evade antituberculosis (anti-TB) immunity by inhibiting host cell TNF production via expression of specific mycobacterial components."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC4895118/

There always is a distance to go from scientific research to clinical practice. And while sanatorium therapy, even though really expensive, had a perceived good enough success rate to really take off from the mid-19th century, garlic, even though readily affordable, never convinced enough physicians and patients so that it would enjoy a similar boom. Even nowadays, when personal experience is easily shared on social media, the excitement about "curing" tuberculosis with garlic, remains very limited. Maybe it's not that good after all.

Tuberculosis and turmeric

Indian Ayurvedic medicine holds turmeric in high esteem for many ailments, so it is no surprise that it is also recommended for lung ailments (including asthma).

In traditional Chinese medicine, turmeric is considered a warming herb, but it isn't specifically recommended for lung conditions.

Hippocrates does not refer specifically to turmeric.

By and large, turmeric is a valuable herb. Its primary use is in autoimmune disorders like rheumatoid arthritis. Numerous studies attest to the herbs efficacy in conditions of an overactive immune system.

Curcumin, the active ingredient in turmeric has many other useful applications. Some lab dish studies even claim that it kills Mycobacterium tuberculosis.

"We found that curcumin enhanced the clearance of MTB [Mycobacterium tuberculosis] in differentiated THP-1 human monocytes and in primary human alveolar macrophages. We also found that curcumin was an inducer of caspase-3-dependent apoptosis and autophagy. Curcumin mediated these anti-MTB cellular functions, in part, via inhibition of nuclear factor-kappa B activation."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.
nih.gov/27012592/

Exiting as this sounds, one has to be aware of the fact that the quoted study that was done in vitro, on human macrophages in lab dishes.

But in general, the bioabsorption of curcumin is poor. It is justified to doubt that the reported effect can be replicated in clinical studies, or even just in vivo in an animal model.

"Curcumin has been linked to the improvement of the outcome of tuberculosis... Curcumin, being an AP-1 inhibitor, has been reported to play a significant role in restricting MTB induced pulmonary fibrosis by restraining the MTB-induced CTGF expression.... Our article provides proof supporting the perspective that curcumin could be considered a potent antitubercular agent and could be used for derivation of novel drugs for protection as well as therapy of TB."
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC8470464

In the disease process of tuberculosis, serious pulmonary fibrosis is way downstream in advanced cases. In the treatment of tuberculosis, interventions are needed that arrest the disease way before pulmonary fibrosis becomes a serious concern.

Patients who have convinced themselves that herbs are key to good health, have a tendency to use plant extracts across the board.

However, herbalism is not a case of one shoe fits all. A preparation that treats a throttled immune response may not be suitable for an overactive immune response, and vice versa.

Curcumin (turmeric) alleviates conditions of an overactive immune system by down-regulating TNF (tumor necrosis factor) alpha, among other molecules of the innate immune system. "Curcumin inhibits these autoimmune diseases by regulating inflammatory cytokines such as IL-1beta, IL-6, IL-12, TNF-alpha and IFN-gamma and associated JAK-STAT, AP-1, and NF-kappaB signaling pathways in immune cells."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.
nih.gov/17569223/

But in tuberculosis, the issue is not too much TNF. The issue is that Mycobacterium tuberculosis suppresses TNF in order to avoid being killed by macrophages.

Thus, the case for turmeric or curcumin in treating tuberculosis is weak. It could even be counterproductive.

Tuberculosis and durian fruit

Garlic and turmeric have been extensively studied as an intervention against tuberculosis. Durian not.

Durian made its entry into this article via anecdotal evidence.

It was observed that a generous serving of the fruit induced coughing episodes, soon after eating, in a patient with low-key active tuberculosis. There would be enhanced coughing for 10 or 15 minutes, and the lungs would then be clear of phlegm for several hours. The durian ingestion thus acted as an expectorant.

But there is more to durian than just clearing the lungs of mucus. It just happens that out of all foods consumed by humans, durian is by far richest in y-glutamylcysteine (y-EC). y-EC is a precursor to glutathione, a critical molecule in cellular immune function. Glutathione itself is not easily absorbed into cells, but the precursor y-EC is.

"Screening of various plant samples, including fruits, vegetables, and mushrooms, revealed that... for y-EC, durian pulp displayed the highest level (~6.98 mg/g DW)[DW - dry weight], followed by papaya and tomato (~0.14–0.12 mg/g DW)"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/
article/abs/pii/S0889157524000097

"Our findings indicated that y-glutamylcysteine was the preferred form of sulfur storage in durian pulps..."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/
article/abs/pii/S0925521423002946

Y-glutamylcysteine (converted intracellularly into glutathione) is a molecule with potential in the treatment of tuberculosis.

"Glutathione Modulates Efficacious Changes in the Immune Response against Tuberculosis... Due to these immunomodulatory properties, GSH [glutathione] has been hypothesized to be part of an effective adjunctive therapy for  Mycobacterium tuberculosis (M. tb) infection."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
articles/PMC10216386/





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